Maverick Veterans’ Voices: Interview with Felix Woods

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Interviewee: CDT Felix Woods

Interviewer: Melissa Gonzales

Date of Interview: December 18, 2013

Location of Interview: Arlington, Texas

Transcriber: Diane Saylors

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GONZALES: This is Melissa Gonzales. Today is December 18, 2013. I am interviewing CDTCC Felix Woods for the first time. This interview is taking place at the University of Texas at Arlington Central Library in Arlington, Texas. This interview is sponsored by the College of Liberal Arts and is part of the Maverick Veterans' Voices Project.

GONZALES: So, are you originally from Arlington?

WOODS: No. I'm from Lacombe, Louisiana. It's across the lake from New Orleans.

GONZALES: Okay. And did you attend high school there as well?

WOODS: Yeah. I went to high school in Slidell, Louisiana.

GONZALES: Did you participate in ROTC in high school?

WOODS: No. I think the school had it, and I don't think it was Army but I played sports then, so I wasn't interested. (Both laugh)

GONZALES: Have any of your family members served in the military?

WOODS: Yes. My two older brothers served and various cousins.

GONZALES: What branches did your brothers serve in?

WOODS: All Army.

GONZALES: Army?

WOODS: Um-hmm.

GONZALES: So what did you do right after graduating from high school?

WOODS: I applied to college and was surprised when I was accepted. I came to Hardin-Simmons University in Abilene, Texas, and I stayed there until 2006 December and I enlisted.

GONZALES: So what made you decide to enlist?

WOODS: Well, I wasn't sure what I wanted to do in school. I was, you know, kind of taking classes and Hardin-Simmons was a private school, so the amount of loans I was racking up, I needed to do something different but I didn't want to 00:02:00return home, so the next best choice was to join the service.

GONZALES: What did that involve? What steps did you take to enlist?

WOODS: Well, my brother was an Army recruiter when I was in high school, so I've always known about the Army. When I moved out to Abilene, the recruiters were recruiting pretty heavily, and you know, during that time frame there had been a surge, so the recruiters were always talking to you, handing you their cards. So I knew where they were. I had a couple of their cards, so I went to see them. I actually wanted to go to the Air Force (laughs) because Abilene was an Air Force town, and there wasn't too much left for anyone, but the Army was, like, come on in. So that's what I did. I went on in.

GONZALES: Was your family surprised that you'd decided to do that?

WOODS: Oh, some were. One of my brothers told me that I should join the Air 00:03:00Force and that I couldn't make it in the Army. I think that's what made me join the Army because he kind of hit a nerve, oh, you're not built for it or something. So I took that on, I guess. Yeah, but I was already--like I said, I was in college. So some of them were, like, just finish. But I wasn't prepared for college.

GONZALES: So where did you go for your training?

WOODS: Basic training was in Fort Sill, Oklahoma, and it was cold. It was like a great blizzard or something during that time and it was frozen everywhere. I just remember it being really cold when I first got there, but Fort Sill, Oklahoma was basic training. I spent the nine weeks or whatever it is you spend there, and then I went on to San Antonio because I had chosen to be a medic, and the training for them was down at Fort Sam Houston. So I had another sixteen 00:04:00weeks down there and, like, two days before I left, I found out where I was going to be stationed. So everyone was finding out weeks prior, and I was two days before, and then it was Fort Drum, New York. And I was, like, ah, another cold place. (Both laugh)

GONZALES: So what did your medic training involve?

WOODS: Oh, well, the first eight weeks you train as an EMT. You have to become EMT certified-- Basic EMT certified. And if you didn't pass the EMT test, then you got reassigned to be some other MOS, so I passed that, and then I went on to another eight weeks of Army medic training.

GONZALES: So when you got to New York, did you receive additional training?

WOODS: Well, with your unit, you do the unit training that whatever the unit does. I was stationed with the 7th Engineers and they were standing up, so they were very small when I initially got there, and it was just normal training that was being conducted, nothing special at the time.

GONZALES: Do you remember your instructors from that time?

WOODS: Instructors from basic? Yes. My drill sergeant was DS Watts. I remember him because he was a short guy but he had a loud voice, and the other drill sergeants, they all had different characters. So they were characters. You don't forget drill sergeants. And then when I went to San Antonio for my AIT, there were more characters. So I remember a lot of the drill sergeants. There was Sgt. Watts, there's Sgt. Abdoler, DS Slater. DS Slater could make his eyes twitch, and he would, like, try to spook you with that. It worked on a lot of men, (laughs) and so--

GONZALES: So I believe you said before that you volunteered for deployment after your training in New York. Is that correct?

WOODS: Well, I was stationed in Fort Drum, as I said, and I hated the cold. I was a single guy, no car, and I was from Louisiana and that cold was something 00:06:00new to me. And I learned that you can get online through the Army. It was called--I forgot what it was called. But basically, you can go on and you can find a unit that was going to deploy. So that's what I did, and I looked and it was said it was in Texas. I said, "Well, this unit is deploying anyway. I'll deploy from a warm station instead of a cold station." So that's what I did.

GONZALES: So when you traveled back to Texas, was it at Fort Hood?

WOODS: Yeah, Fort Hood. Welcome to the Great Place. That's what they tell you when you enter.

GONZALES: So where was your first tour?

WOODS: Iraq. First tour Mosul, Iraq, Iraqi Freedom Campaign still, and we did twelve months there. I think I actually did eleven. I got sent home early. Nothing bad, just I was the only medic for the platoon I was with and I had spent the whole time--I didn't take leave. So I did my whole tour with them. And 00:07:00so it was just a reward, I get to go home a month early to receive the rest of the guys there.

GONZALES: So being the only medic in your unit, was that stressful?

WOODS: Not in the unit, for the platoon--

GONZALES: Or for the platoon.

WOODS: --for the platoon, I was. That's different.

GONZALES: Yes.

WOODS: If I was the only medic in the unit, it would've been really bad, but I was the only one for my platoon, and then so it was fun. It was fun. It was fun. You get to know the guys and, you know

GONZALES: Did you feel prepared for it?

WOODS: Initially maybe not. You're, like, I didn't think I'm ready, and when you go out there, you just trust the training that you received, and it's all there. It's all there.

GONZALES: And that was your first time overseas as well?

WOODS: Yeah.

GONZALES: How did you feel about that?

WOODS: First time overseas, okay. So the plane ride was the longest plane ride, of course, and it was cool. They had, like, a screen showing where we were. That 00:08:00was, like, the plane where it was, so that was nice. You get to see where you're at, and you look down and you could see the lights in Iraq. I remember one of the sergeant majors saying something about don't tell me there's no power in Iraq. Look at all the lights or something like that.

We get in-country--well, the first place we went to was Kuwait, and then Kuwait was just a big desert, and I was ready to go to Iraq. I was like, well, let's get this over with, and let's just go to Iraq. (laughs) So I went to Iraq and it was an adjustment because the conditions where you were staying and stuff, like, you get used to it. It was home for a year.

GONZALES: So that first tour, when did you arrive and when did you leave?

WOODS: I want to say we got there--I think we had Christmas and New Year, so we probably got there in February maybe or towards the end of January.

GONZALES: So what are some of your more memorable experiences from that first tour?

WOODS: Memorable experience. The camaraderie you build with the individuals you're there with, you know, and you always seem to find fun even in the worst situations. The people there were nice. The kids, I remember the kids. There are always a lot of kids in some of the neighborhoods, and everyone there asked you for chocolate or a pen or a ball, depends on what neighborhood you went to. So we would kind of guess what neighborhood we're going to and we would say, Okay. Well, that neighborhood we know those kids are going to want chocolate, (laughs) and this neighborhood the kids are going to want pens.

When we would get care packages and things from a few people back home, we would stuff some of that in there in our vehicles and hand it out. But I just remember thinking--my first time in the city, I'm thinking, like, man, this place must've 00:10:00been real nice at one time because, you know, there's palm trees and a lot of the buildings you could tell--that weren't destroyed (laughs) were nice at one point in time. So I remember telling another guy, I was, like, man, if they could just get it together, this might be the best vacation place you could ever go to because it did seem like at one time it was nice.

GONZALES: Do you still keep in touch with some of the men you met there, fellow soldiers?

WOODS: Oh, yes, yes. Facebook keeps everyone in touch, so you know because the Army's small and then some guys go on to different places and they are able to tell you about what's going on over there, so it's a nice community. You keep in touch. You stay in-- even the guys who get out still keep in touch with them seeing what's going on, what opportunities they were able to partake in.

GONZALES: Was your family a little surprised that you deployed so quickly or were they expecting that?

WOODS: I think the second time I deployed, it was, like, man, you just got back. 00:11:00(laughs) So the second time we deployed, I think my family was, like, you going again? Oh, man, and then every time you go it was, like, well, you made it back the first time okay. He's going again. Is he going to be all right this time?

GONZALES: How did you keep in touch with your family while you were over there?

WOODS: My first deployment, I didn't know much about Skype and all that, so there are these, like, USO type phones you can use and warfighter phone. I think you go online and you require a password or something, and you pay a little fee and then you're able to call-- make a lot of calls, so that's what I would do. They would have, like, phone stations over there, and Facebook. (laughs) Then my second time around, I used Skype. I would Skype a lot more.

GONZALES: So how much time did you have between your first and your second deployment?

WOODS: I want to say about a year. But you know, you come home, you get the 00:12:00first few months to decompress, but then the training starts up again, so it probably felt less, but I would say about a year.

GONZALES: So were you awarded any medals or citations or honors during that time?

WOODS: Well, we received Army Commendation Medals for being successful in our contributions to our unit's tasks, and so for each deployment, I received one, yeah.

GONZALES: So when you returned back to the States, what did you do in those days following? Was there anything that you missed overseas that when you returned you just had to do?

WOODS: I would say food. (laughs) So I probably went out and whatever I was craving at the time--and it changed I think by the day or whatever deployment it was--so whatever I really wanted I went out and got. My first deployment I 00:13:00really wanted a car because I'd never owned a vehicle and I had saved some money up, so it was kind of like a growing up experience for me. So I purchased my first vehicle. I think that and maybe some pizzas or something. I don't recall. It was like one of the first things I wanted to do.

GONZALES: So in previous conversations with you, you'd mentioned the difference between enlisted soldiers and officers. Can you describe that difference?

WOODS: Enlisted and an officer, I mean, we're all soldiers but I think what I was saying is the responsibilities are a little different. The job roles, that's the main difference between the two. But I loved my time as an enlisted guy, and I had a lot of fun. And currently, now I'm in ROTC to be an officer, but I guess it'll be an adjustment, but we'll make it work. (laugh)

GONZALES: So when did you choose to attend UT Arlington?

WOODS: UT Arlington. I was at Fort Hood and I had just taken some classes at Central Texas College, and there's always briefs for enlisted soldiers to go green and gold, and I had officers tell me, you know, you should probably look into it. Throughout my career, I've always been encouraged to do it, so that's what I did. I went in and I talked to the recruiting officer at Central Texas A&M in Killeen, and he told me he had a long line of people trying to get in this school and if I didn't have any problems with going somewhere else, that he had two schools that were looking for someone, and there was UT Arlington and Stephen F. Austin. And my wife did not want to live in Nacogdoches, (laughs) so that made that choice very simple. So UT Arlington.

GONZALES: So what year did you start at UT Arlington?

WOODS: 2011.

GONZALES: So what is your current status in the military now that you are a student?

WOODS: Well, I'm what you would call an SMP, simultaneous cadet, where I am in ROTC. I'm contracted with the Reserve Officer Training Corps, and I also drill on weekends with the National Guard.

GONZALES: Okay. And you had mentioned that early years were active duty-- but there are active duty options and--

WOODS: Well, yes, there are many ways to join ROTC. Some soldiers apply for it. What the Army has is an active duty option, and it's a process application they go through and if they're selected, they remain with their full benefits and whatever their rank is, they continue making that pay, and they go to school and 00:16:00finish and then when they finish school, they're commissioned as an officer. Whereas I said, "Hey, I've been accepted to an ROTC program. Will you allow me to go do this?" So it's kind of conditional. It's like if you don't finish, you come back you lost time, so that's what I did.

GONZALES: So were you married before you started at UT Arlington?

WOODS: Yes. I got married right before my second deployment.

GONZALES: Oh. So was that kind of tough having just gotten married and then having to be deployed the second time?

WOODS: It really wasn't. It really wasn't. It really wasn't tough at all. I would communicate as much as I could and I came back on an R and R this time, and not just go the whole time, so it worked out.

GONZALES: I'm sure she was glad when you came back and y'all moved to D- FW.

WOODS: Well, she stayed in the Killeen area, initially.

GONZALES: Okay.

WOODS: --and she just recently came up here this year, but initially I would just commute back and forth from Arlington to Killeen.

GONZALES: So are you living on campus now?

WOODS: Yeah. I live at Centennial Court.

GONZALES: Okay. So what major did you select when you came here?

WOODS: Well, I was a medic and I had just got the opportunity to do what's called Additional Skills Identifier. And I was going to do physical therapy. So at the time that was going through, I also was putting the paperwork to go through ROTC, whatever came first. (laughs) When everything was going through with me going to--I was going to go to--I would've gone to Fort Sam for training and then gone to Fort Lewis for additional on-job training and then been 00:18:00stationed somewhere on the East Coast. I forget the station I would've went to.

So when I knew I was going to go to UTA, I thought maybe I could do kinesiology and try to be a physical therapist instead of a physical therapist assistant. But I only have two years to finish my degree and so there were a couple of classes that year and within the timeframe, so I had a lot of credits leftover from previous schools, so I chose universal studies.

GONZALES: So having served in a combat situation, what was it like returning to a college campus?

WOODS: The combat situation and returning to a college campus, it wasn't so much of an adjustment from combat to college because I had time back home. I would 00:19:00say being in a military environment into a college campus, you know, because when you're in the Army, most of my time is on an Army post, and then the outside community is mostly Army if you go to Killeen and then come up here is not the case in there. So I think the biggest adjustment was being a twenty-eight-year-old student back in class trying to relate and deal with the relationships--with the younger.

GONZALES: So was there a difference between--I think you had mentioned at one point the differences in rank.

WOODS: Oh. What I was referring to is, okay, so I was waiting to be released from active duty from Fort Hood and school was the next day. So there was no period of transition really. I was SGT Woods, and then I was CDT Woods, and so 00:20:00I showed up as CDT Woods, and I had an email prior that said, Hey, I'm SFC Ramos. I'll be your platoon sergeant. Meet me here at such-and-such. And so the next day when I went to draw gear from supply, a student came up and said, "Hey, I'm SGT Ramos," and I was thinking in my head, This is the youngest E-7 I ever met. So then it dawned on me, like, they go by ranks here too but it's not an actual, like, active duty E7. So that was the first shock.

And then I think I mentioned to you, like, the first day was so chaotic because you're watching--it was like watching kids play Army. What I think I said to you was it was like watching Lord of the Flies, that movie. You know, the kids are running around. It was, like, chaotic. But a few people (laughs) saw my reactions, like, don't worry. It'll get better, and it did get better but it was definitely an adjustment that first day.

GONZALES: So are you working while in school?

WOODS: No.

GONZALES: So is your education funded by the GI Bill?

WOODS: Yeah. So what I do is I use the money from my post 9-11 GI Bill and being contracted as a cadet. There was a little stipend we get from there and my weekend a month. So I make it work.

GONZALES: And you're a full-time student, right?

WOODS: Full-time student.

GONZALES: So what are your responsibilities right now as a Cadet Commander?

WOODS: As a Cadet Commander, well, I take responsibility for everything, good and bad. (laugh) But we, the senior class, we come up with the training. I mean, you know, we got guidelines from the cadre, but we do the training, so basically I function as a commander would in the active-duty Army, and I make sure that things are going as smooth as possible and I try to mentor and suggest things 00:22:00along the way.

GONZALES: So outside of your coursework and your time on campus for classes, how much time do you think you put in outside of that for cadet training?

WOODS: I probably put too much. (laughs) As my wife would say, I'm always doing something, so I'm always--schoolwork comes--I mean, I get my work done, and then, like, it's a twenty-four-hour job for me. If someone has a question on how something is done, I answer it and then I put--I'm always thinking of what's next. What can we do as a battalion? As the commander, what's the next thing we could do? So I'm always working.

GONZALES: In addition to your ROTC, what other campus activities do you engage in?

WOODS: Well, this semester I'm just trying to get the program into more things. So this year we started--we call ourselves the MAV CAV, so it's a proud voice at 00:23:00volleyball games, basketball games, and we just go out and cheer our team and let them know we're there to support them. And just get good school spirit going. So we've done that.

GONZALES: I believe there are pushups involved.

WOODS: Yeah. (laughs) So every time the volleyball team scores, we've knocked out a pushup for every score. That's kind of difficult for the basketball team. And then our volleyball team is pretty good.

GONZALES: I see that you also participate with the homecoming. Is it the color guard?

WOODS: Well, yes. The color guard was out there and participated in the homecoming. And then the volleyball team had a military appreciation night. So we went there and supported that, that, and I think the basketball team is going to have one also. So what I do now is I just try to see how can the ROTC program 00:24:00be a part of school functions, and I try to support other organizations as I can--as we can.

GONZALES: And that involves community outreach as well?

WOODS: Yeah. Yeah. So all of the RVSP here on campus had a clothing drive for the Tarrant County Women's Shelter, so I thought that would be a nice thing to contribute to, and you know, we all have a bunch of clothing in our houses or--I know my mom used to keep a bunch of clothes and we used to tell her she needed to get rid of it all the time, so I put that out to the cadets and we had a good turnout from that, and so we were able to support them.

GONZALES: And the involvement with the "Package Brigade?"

WOODS: Package Brigade, okay, so the Package Brigade is Vicky Rollins over there at First Command in Fort Worth. It started with her wanting to send packages to 00:25:00her brother, and so I found out about this program she has. So what we did, we got a table and asked for donations, sent out flyers and everything, and they had a good turnout here on campus, so it was actually on Veterans Day that we did it. So that may have helped it, but we had a great turnout and we raised over four hundred dollars in cash and probably about the same in donations from students here on campus.

GONZALES: I'm not sure how much you know about the process, but can you talk about how you were selected to become a Cadet Commander or how that process works?

WOODS: Well, your junior year, the PMS is always evaluating her junior class, and you're always being evaluated. So we go through different little training things and you get assessed throughout the year and the senior class makes 00:26:00suggestions and then your class does peer evaluations and the Primary Military Instructor, who teaches the junior class makes his suggestions and so I think I was suggested. (laughs)

GONZALES: Are you aware of any of the differences between the past cadet and the current cadet arrangement? Like, if there were any differences in how the cadet program is run?

WOODS: I guess each PMS has his own style and can change things, but historically the difference between now and later years is that it was a Corps of Cadets and we're an ROTC program. So the Corps of Cadets will be, like, having three or four different ROTC programs on one campus, and we're not that 00:27:00large anymore, so it's a single ROTC program.

GONZALES: So on that note, the Jodies, which were the Sam Houston Rifles--

WOODS: Yes.

GONZALES:--I believe that is being resurrected, and what's your involvement with that?

WOODS: Yeah. So last year at the Hall of Honor is when the alumni induct some of their people to the Hall of Honor, past alumni. And we, the cadets, did a demonstration with the Sam Houston Rifles because it is the oldest organization here on campus, but they hadn't been practicing. It kind of died out, I guess. The last person who was on the active team graduated and it didn't continue as it should have. And they did a very simple demonstration. And then we saw the Jodies. So the alumni got out there, and what they put on was just amazing. You 00:28:00know, guys who probably hadn't touched a rifle in forty years get out there and remember all these moves, and they were moving. And I was just embarrassed. I was, like, man, that won't happen again.

So at the beginning of this year, I went to some of the alumni and I would say, "Hey, we need help." And they go, what you need help with? I said, "Well, we want to bring back the Jodies," and there was a little--they didn't believe me at first. It was like, well, we've heard that before. I was, like, I'm serious. We want to bring--so I talked to Mr. Garonzik and Mr. Houston many times. There was email traffic going back and forth, and I told COL Rimmer, "I really want to pursue this," and they believed me. They finally believed me. And now they're coming and we've been actively practicing. And we'll have a three-day mini-camp right before the spring semester starts, and there'll be alumni there drilling. 00:29:00So there'll be more than--because right now we were doing maybe an hour or so a day, so that'll be a three-all-day type of event. And they're really, really pushing us over the hill, and so we'll see.

There's a Medal of Honor parade sometime in April that the Jodies are going to participate in. And then so we're really excited about that. And of course, the Hall of Honor and the cadets will have a better showing this year I promise than they did last year.

GONZALES: So are there any professors or instructors right now that have significantly influenced you?

WOODS: Well, all of them. But I guess you could say about the Army, you know, all leaders influence you whether good or bad, even if they're good or bad it influences you. You know what to do and what not to do, but I will say all the cadre here at UTA have influenced me from COL Rimmer on down, all of them. I've 00:30:00taken something from each person.

GONZALES: Speaking of the alumni, a few of them have said that pranks were not uncommon amongst themselves and the cadets.

WOODS: Yeah. Well, it was a different time when the alumni was here. (laughs) And so a lot of the things they were able to do, we wouldn't be able to do, but I'm sure they had a lot of fun. And we can have fun too, it's just a different type of fun, yeah.

GONZALES: So what do the cadets do on summer breaks?

WOODS: Enjoy their friends. Enjoy their time.

GONZALES: There's no training?

WOODS: The juniors--well, if they apply for certain training opportunities or were awarded certain training opportunities, they may be gone to Airborne School or Air Assault School. These are Army schools that cadets are allowed to participate in that are mostly active duty schools. And there are cultural type opportunities where you can go to a foreign country, and so we have cadets do 00:31:00that. And the juniors go to their leadership development course, and that's like a milestone for all cadets to do well at that course and then that kind of would tell what you get as far as where you--are you going to be active duty, National Guard, Reserve. Are you going to get the branch you want? So it's a big deal.

GONZALES: So has your prior military experience influenced your classwork or duties directly?

WOODS: I would say it had but not in the way I thought it would. I will say the work I was doing active duty really didn't prepare me for the--even the ROTC course here not per se so much even though it's different, but I think having past experiences and knowing how to deal with certain things gave me a shoe up in certain situations. And being a student the second time around is a lot 00:32:00easier. (laughs) I'm a far better student this time around.

GONZALES: I'm sure the discipline helped that a lot. (laughs)

WOODS: Yeah. Yeah. The Army shook me up in shape, and I became a lot better student this time around.

GONZALES: So you mentioned briefly about cadets choosing the branch or active duty they'd like to participate in after a post-graduation. How are those decisions made?

WOODS: Well, there's a calculation the Army comes up with, and each cadet knows that part of their assessment: 40 percent is their grades, and so if you have a 4.0 you got all forty points, and then the rest is the extracurricular things you participate in, your physical--your fitness, your PT score, and how you assess as far as your leadership abilities through what your PMS sees in you and 00:33:00how you do at camp.

GONZALES: So what do you plan on doing after graduation?

WOODS: After graduation, hopefully, I can go directly to my Basic Officer Leadership Course, but if not, I hope the Army finds something else for me to do until that time. But I'll be a Branch Quartermaster and so I'll be heading to Fort Lee, Virginia, and I won't know what duty station I will be at until sometime in February or March, but I'm excited.

GONZALES: So the Basic Officer Leadership training, what does that entail?

WOODS: You just learn basic officer things. It's a little more detailed than the LDAC was as far as it prepares you for an active-duty Army or being an officer, shall I say. So it's like basic training for officers, I guess.

GONZALES: So I think I read this or heard it somewhere, but I'm not sure. Maybe you can clarify. Are you being inducted into the Hall of Honor this coming year?

WOODS: No. Now, that'd be real--that'd probably be a world record (Gonzales laughs) to be inducted as soon as you graduate. Nah, I have to go out and do some things and accomplish some things. I'll be there and I don't know who the inductee is this year, but you have to go out and do some things and represent the alumni well and UT Arlington well, so I got some years, so maybe beyond twenty years from now, I'll be back inducted. (laughs)

GONZALES: Well, I thought that seemed weird, but I wasn't sure. Okay. (laughs) Well, is there anything that I haven't covered or asked you that you would like to address?

WOODS: I think that it's always great to have a school welcome veterans, and I don't know where UT Arlington ranks in that. I think I saw something that they 00:35:00ranked fairly well in that, but I think schools can benefit from having veterans in their program, whether it's ROTC or just the university in general. I think they should seek veterans out because you have people who are a little more ready to get on track, I would say, compared to--just speaking personally of the eighteen-year-old just out of high school, who couldn't believe he got accepted to college and was there and wasn't sure what I wanted to do. As a twenty-eight-year-old with a goal, it's two different students. So they come in different shapes and forms, but I'm just happy to be here.

GONZALES: Well, I'm glad you're here as well. And I want to thank you, CC Woods, for being so helpful and informative and for participating in this project. It's been a pleasure talking with you today and thank you for your service and your contribution.

WOODS: Thank you.